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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2020-01-02 12:00 pm
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[personal profile] nancylebov 2020-01-02 02:07 pm (UTC)(link)
On the other hand, there are a lot of countries with good social safety nets which still have right wing populism. Maybe Portugal is doing it more thoughtfully?
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[personal profile] andrewducker 2020-01-02 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Which ones with good social safety nets are going rightwards?
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[personal profile] nancylebov 2020-01-02 02:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure how strong a claim you were making about right-wing populism, but there's France, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, and the Netherlands.
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[personal profile] andrewducker 2020-01-02 02:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Belgium had 12% vote for Vlaams Belang.
Danish People's Party got 8.7%
Finn's Party is a bit more worrying at 17%
The Dutch Party For Freedom got 13%
National Front got 9% in France.

Even the worst of those is nowhere near taking significant power.

(Bearing in mind I'm not an expert in the politics of any of those countries)
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[personal profile] nancylebov 2020-01-02 02:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm no expert either, but I agree that they're not close to taking power-- I thought you were claiming that Portugal must be doing something right because they don't have a significant right wing nationalist presence.
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[personal profile] andrewducker 2020-01-02 02:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Portugal seems to be doing even better than those, having a single far right representative (as far as I can see).
Whether that's because of the economic changes being better than the ones in other leftish European countries, I don't know.
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[personal profile] nancylebov 2020-01-02 03:18 pm (UTC)(link)
The way they handled drug legalization has worked very well (so far as I know, no one is imitating it) so maybe they have more sense than most people.
Edited 2020-01-02 15:18 (UTC)
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[personal profile] dewline 2020-01-02 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)
It seems as if the EU nations exclusively on the Mediterranean coast or having been Soviet client-states in the bad old days after WW2 are the worst off: Greece, Italy, Hungary, Poland...
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[personal profile] fub 2020-01-02 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I won't deny that the Dutch social safety net is adequate, but it is under constant attack from the centre-right party that has been in power for decades. They made a complete mess of things like health insurance and housing, which doesn't help.
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