Date: 2012-07-12 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
So I read that list of Disney princesses and I was like "I feel like they're being too hard on Belle, she totally had more agency than that, and she didn't want to reform the Beast, she was responding to him reforming himself and letting his vulnerability and kindness show through," and then in the comments everyone's all "You're being too hard on Belle!" Clearly I am not the only one with a blind love of Beauty and the Beast.
innerbrat: (disney)
From: [personal profile] innerbrat
I'm am hideously biased against Belle, so I apologise in advance for ragging on your favorite Princess.

Feel free to skip the rest of this comment!

But.


I think I just associate with her far too much in the beginning of the movie, when she's inspired by her reading to seek out "adventures in the great wide somewhere!" and then... she settles down with the nice rich guy down the road. Stockholm syndrome aside, I invariably cry because she never has those adventures - because I don't think talking to clocks is a great adventure.

So maybe I'm setting my sights too high for her, but as far as I read it, she ends up still stuck in "This Provincial Life," and it breaks my heart.

/rant.

(My favorite crossover is that she eventually gets rescued from the castle by Mulan. Though I guess Rapunzel would be just as good a match as well, these days.)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
Ugh, I haven't seen Mulan, but I think Rapunzel would drive Belle round the bend.

It's not that I don't agree with your argument (that would be rotten), I just don't think it fits the text. What's stopping her from going off and having adventures after the movie's end? I'd like to think that having been cooped up in a Castle with only his own dark thoughts for seven years Adam (is his name I think?) would be delighted to get out of the house and join Belle on her adventures. Where you see them settling down to read by the fire, I see them off on a round the world sailing trip, complete with Cogsworth and Lumiere and maybe even Mrs Potts on the crew.

Also, not to piss on your chips, but the book she reads at the beginning of the story has a prince in a castle with a curse... so she actually got the exact 'adventure' she was reading about. I know that later she sings about the 'great wide somewhere', but maybe you're misrepresenting what Belle herself really wanted? (Which is not to say I don't think she would want to travel too, but for that argument see the previous paragraph.)
Edited Date: 2012-07-12 03:16 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-07-12 03:27 pm (UTC)
innerbrat: (disney)
From: [personal profile] innerbrat
Hey, you're not pissing on my chips. :) I loved Belle until I pissed on my own chips like this.

You're entirely right, of course. We don't know what happens post-movie, as for some reason Belle is one of the very few princesses whose sequel is set during the timeline of her original movie (which - what?). But the way you fill in post-canon depends on your reading of the movie - you're obviously filling in a preference based on liking Belle/Adam (and that's OK - not that this needed saying.)

And that I'm probably projecting - in fact, I know I'm projecting the experience of seeing a lot of my friends 'settle' for marriage over the ambitions that they used to have. I've had it pointed out before that the book she reads at the beginning is not all that different from her actual story, and I buy that as a valid argument, but it doesn't change the visceral "no, Belle, have adventures, don't marry that guy!" reaction the movie always gives me.

Oh well. It's a good movie objectively, I just don't like watching it anymore.

Date: 2012-07-12 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alitheapipkin.livejournal.com
You should watch Mulan, they are right about it being the most feminist one of the lot :)

Date: 2012-07-12 11:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
Also I'm darky amused by the idea that gays can only get out of military service if their sex pictures show them to be a bottom...

Date: 2012-07-12 11:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Hm. If I was going to steal something, I'd feel I got my just commuppance if I ended up stealing one of the later SoT sequels, although I admit that's not strictly relevant to the point :)

Date: 2012-07-12 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashfae.livejournal.com
Full agreeement with marrog about them being too hard on Belle, who I adore. *grin* Though a number of those princesses do take steps to rescue themselves, and everyone else to boot. Very pleased that Aurora was last (my least favorite fairy tale, ugh) and Mulan first, though. Mulan rocks.

On a similar note, Disney does the Hunger Games: https://www.facebook.com/lisa.mantchev/posts/392389114155708?ref=notif¬if_t=share_reply

Date: 2012-07-13 09:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
Page not found :-(

Date: 2012-07-13 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashfae.livejournal.com
That's the one! Though drat, I was hoping to link to the conversation going on there as well, as it's amusing.

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