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Date: 2020-01-21 12:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
While in 15th century Kent you'd have needed to ask for 'oyen' (in other regions that meant 'eyes').

This stuff fascinates me! :o)

Date: 2020-01-21 12:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
It also fascinates my mum who says her grandparents spoke an English dialect with lots of different plurals, syntax and verbs.

Date: 2020-01-21 01:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
Do you know which one they spoke?

Date: 2020-01-21 01:48 pm (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
I'm afraid I don't. She grew up in the Cotswolds (Golden Valleys area) and most of her family were deeply local but I think one of her grandfathers or great grandfathers might have come from Yorkshire.

Date: 2020-01-21 03:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
Although I'm a Kenting, I have West Midlands and northeastern grandparents so ended up with all sorts of bits of odd dialect which often confuses people. :o)

Date: 2020-01-21 12:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
The article on robot tanks sparked quite an interesting discussion about crime rates in the 1980's and lead in petrol in my office.

Date: 2020-01-21 01:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
We got chatting about 1980's films with AI (War Games, Terminator and RoboCop. One of my younger colleagues asked if crime was really that much of a problem in the 1980's that RoboCop seemed like a potential future path.

I said, yes, quoted some stats eg murder rate in New York and mentioned that one of the contendors for the cause of the fall in violent crime was the removal of lead from petrol.

The conversation has now moved on to how Monopoly is more like Fight Club than a boardgame.

Date: 2020-01-21 12:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
I'm uncertain about Jess Philips as Labour Leader. (Fortunately my dad, a well connected Labour member told me not to worry too much about anyone other than Starmer.)

She was my second favourite until her position on trans rights got more attention.

But the whole thing really crystallised for me that I'm buggered if I understand sex and gender well enough to have an opinion much beyond "I would like it if people were less horrid to each other."

Date: 2020-01-21 01:27 pm (UTC)
cmcmck: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cmcmck
Oh to be a fly on the wall when you two get going (although we're not next in Edinburgh until May).

Date: 2020-01-21 02:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
Do feel welcome to come and join us when you are up, if convenient. Mostly we check in about our respective children, shout "BREXIT ARRGH!" and Andy asks me how my robots are keeping and I tell him that they are still very busy.

Date: 2020-01-21 02:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
If you like. I'm not sure that we're going to shed any light on the issue but I'm more than happy to talk around it.

To sum up my confusion. I was already unsure what gender is (or was) and where it came from. To the point where I was wondering if it was a useful concept at all.

I was more confident about sex. At least more confident that "we" understood what sex was and that sex was more complicated than a simple binary and probably more complicated than I understood.

I wondered if there is a demonstratable causal link between sex and gender that operates outside of culture i.e. I wondered if one is born with a particular set of genes then one is more likely to behave in ways associated with our concepts of gender. I was uncertain about this. The science seems ambiguous. Even the economics is ambiguous. (Ambiguous to the point where I wondered if we as a species had replaced some genetics with memetics and how we would tell if we had.)

Over the last few years I've become less certain about gender and less certain about sex and remained uncertain about the link, if any, between the two.

I know what I would politically like the answers to be. Well, I say I know. I'm not sure know is the right word. I'm not sure that the politics lines up neatly with the science.

Mostly I'm counting my blessings that I'm not directly personally affected. It's about time that something good happened to a straight, cis, white guy.

Date: 2020-01-21 10:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] autopope
I'd just like to note that what we are attracted to, and what we see ourselves as being, are two orthogonal axes on some (hypothetical) graph. And I think this is where a lot of the sex/gender confusion creeps in, at least wrt. understanding how other people think of it.

Date: 2020-01-22 11:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
Yes, that can only add to the add to the lack of clarity.

I think we're just having to get used to there being a lack of clarity about how people show up and get comfortable with a state of ambiguity.

Date: 2020-01-21 12:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
My mum gets very excited about the plural of eggs. She I think lived just over some linguistic border where, for example, plurals for some groups of nouns were en rather than es, so egg, eggen, ox, oxen etc.

Generally I find if I talk slowly and loudly and point firmly enough people make an effort to completely misunderstand you in a way that causes maximum delay, confusion and frustration.

Date: 2020-01-21 01:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
Here in Shropshire it's 'heggs' and someone selling them is a 'heggler'.:o)

I'm married to a Stirling dialect speaker, so.............

Date: 2020-01-21 12:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam

I'm mostly enjoying Doctor Who. Mostly because the Captain is enjoying it. I'm finding Whittaker's portrayal of the Doctor a little less grating. But mostly I'm not in anyway taking it seriously as a body of work. Mostly because it does keep doing things like Orphan-55 making not much sense but that being solved by having the Doctor make a speach at the end of programme which everyone, including Laurance Fox can agree with.

Date: 2020-01-21 12:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
A thing I learned during my economics post-grad is that the question of HOW much value is created is different to the question of WHO appropriates that value. At the moment, in the West, I think we have both a problem of value creation but (mostly) a problem of value appropriation.

I'm not surprised people are less likely to buy in to the current system.


Date: 2020-01-21 01:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
And we have a "Never let the division be fair ever again!" movement amongst the more militant and stupid amongst the 0.1% crowd right now.

Date: 2020-01-21 02:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
I think it's swung both ways over time. It takes a while for the politics to catch up with the economics I think.

And, yes, what Dewline says too.

On the HS2 scheme?

Date: 2020-01-21 01:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
I worry about the consequences of this, whatever's decided. Partly because the new Line 1 train set-up is having its teething-pain months here in Ottawa, so we're already questioning the value of having built the thing at all. The Phase 2 expansions of the O-Train network are now under construction across the city, despite it being the "dead" of winter; Some elements of the construction process can be carried out now anyway so they're getting what they can done now.

If I understand right, HS2 is intended as an upgrade to an existing network?

Re: On the HS2 scheme?

Date: 2020-01-21 02:31 pm (UTC)
dewline: Text - "On the DEWLine" (Default)
From: [personal profile] dewline
Thank you for this.

The point that write-up makes about capacity is something that OC Transpo and Ottawa City Hall ignored, I think: we need these new trains, not to replace the buses that were running through the downtown Transitway corridors - much to the annoyance of local business owners and residents - but in addition to the buses.

Date: 2020-01-21 01:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
When I was seeing the pshrink first up I wore a skirt assuming that'd be what was expected by a male pshrink- I had a pleasant surprise when I realised he wasn't expecting that sort of thing and didn't even flinch when I mentioned my love of big bikes.

Sat here in jeans and jumper forty odd years later (although I have no objection to skirts when the mood is upon me and it's a fair bit warmer) still loving big bikes! :o)

Date: 2020-01-21 02:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] momentsmusicaux
What's a PO, and why didn't they understand tech debt in the first place as part of their job?

Date: 2020-01-21 03:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] momentsmusicaux
Ahhh right that makes sense. I was thinking it was something like Project Orgasmator or something.

Date: 2020-01-21 03:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] naath
Product Owner; who may or may not be technical.

Date: 2020-01-21 11:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] elf
Not mentioned in the Technical Debt article: That a company owner who bought out another company may be exceedingly unwilling to pay back the technical debt he somehow thought wasn't included in an existing product.

Startup owners may be convinced that, at some point, you have to put serious work (defined as money and hours) into restructuring rather than improving, and that only the people who work on code will ever notice. The long-term benefit will be, "next year when the OS/browser/ISP updates itself, we'll still function." But if the startup was doing well and then got sold to another company, and the original owners are long gone, the new owners may be very unhappy with "you need to spend a few hundred thousand dollars on invisible work that won't make anything run better; it'll just make this able to function at all in two years."

...Instead, they may look into quick patches, adding a few bells and whistles, and reselling it to the next sucker down the line.

(See also: History of Tumblr.)

Date: 2020-01-22 04:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] asher553
I love the story about William Caxton and eggs / eyren. I discovered it in Robert Lacey's very readable 'Great Tales from English History'.

Date: 2020-01-23 01:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] threemeninaboat
I thought "gin" was the answer to one your questions but it could be the answer to all your questions.

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