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andrewducker- 1. Edinburgh trams: Plans for extension to Newbridge set to be abandoned in favour of route along A71 corridor
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- 2. Do a quarter of British people really believe Covid was a hoax?
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- 3. Who wants to read a judge interrogate lawyers for presenting AI gibberish as if it was reality?
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- 4. Google risks forced breakup of ad business as EU alleges shocking misconduct
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- 5. Body mass index gets smack down: American Medical Association calls out harms and "racist exclusion" | Ars Technica
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- 6. How many of these do you think are birds?
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- 7. How do people treat you differently when you're skinny?
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- 8. First time one of my posts on Mastodon has gone viral! (just hit 500 shares)
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- 9. Europe votes to regulate AI and ban use of live facial recognition
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- 10. 'I got to know my gut microbiome - as a result, I sleep better, have more energy and I've lost 25lbs'
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- 11. Johnson Verdict: 'He lied, lied about lying, lied about lying about lying, and is generally a twat'
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- 12. Two children were born with 'insatiable hunger' that left them severely obese. Now scientists know why (leptin gene mutation)
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- 13. Boosting paternity leave has economic benefits and reduces inequality
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- 14. Wildcats bred in captivity released into Cairngorms
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Date: 2023-06-15 12:17 pm (UTC)Should the Court be upset at my clients for their ignorance and carelessness in dealing with this? Again, absolutely, they should. And the way they handled it after the problems were discovered. Yes, they were careless.
But should they be sanctioned. We submit that the answer for that is, no, they shouldn't. They made a careless, honest mistake.
So lawyers get the benefit of the doubt when they are careless ?
The lawyer who received the fake cases in the original case was present. I hope his client in that case isn't paying for that.
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The judge declares that there is a difference between the original submission of ChatGPT's analysis and the later submission of the fake reports.
A factor in the story is that a mix-up over billing meant that the lawyers only had access to state, not federal, law on one of the databases they used, and were not used to dealing with federal cases.
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Date: 2023-06-15 01:52 pm (UTC)I think it's more that the offense for which the lawyers might be sanctioned for here is deliberate deceit or knowingly lying and not negligence. That's the criminal offense. I think there will be other sanctions, both adminstrative and contractual for the negligence. There certainly ought to be.
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Date: 2023-06-15 01:56 pm (UTC)There's possibly a case here for regulation - that for something to be considered a good source of legal information it need to be approved by a legal standards body. Although publicising this case might be enough to bring it home to people that they need to check their data from any source!
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Date: 2023-06-15 02:05 pm (UTC)I think there is a question here about the interaction of signing the paperwork to submit the pleadings to court, which is a deliberate act of saying I [believe / know / understand / swear] that these things are true and the utter carelessness with which they have gone about checking the cases are correct. If you say "these things are true" and the only reason you believe that is that you have put less than zero effort in to reviewing the truth of your own statement when you could have have you in fact deliberately lied?
Also, worth noting that just because the lawyers' defence lawyer says that there needs to be a deliberate lie to trigger a sanction doesn't mean he's correct.
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Date: 2023-06-15 02:26 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2023-06-15 12:46 pm (UTC)Yes, they probably were lying to her or to themselves, but they were trying spare her feelings.
I don't think she should call that gaslighting.
She comes close to saying that "your bum does not look big in that" is gaslighting.
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Date: 2023-06-15 02:49 pm (UTC)"This is a very short memo. It's a five-page memo."
That's not what I think "very short" means! But I guess lawyers have different norms...
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Date: 2023-06-15 03:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2023-06-15 06:31 pm (UTC)At least it is double-spaced.
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Date: 2023-06-15 06:58 pm (UTC)Even so. "Very short" for something like an email would be "it would have fitted in an SMS" length, or a few paragraphs at the most!
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Date: 2023-06-16 12:38 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2023-06-15 04:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2023-06-16 09:33 am (UTC)