Date: 2025-04-24 01:31 pm (UTC)
calimac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] calimac
1) That's if -you- make up a shit phrase. With real phrases, I've found that ChatGPT can give me a comprehensible explanation where real live humans can't do it.

Date: 2025-04-24 03:22 pm (UTC)
conuly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] conuly
All this must have come from somewhere, but unfortunately ChatGPT has no index to its source material, so I don't know what human was actually capable of explaining this.

You're assuming that ChatGPT has some sort of database or search engine of facts. All it has is a database of statistically probable collocations. This doesn't "come from somewhere", it's just a sophisticated way of replying to a text message by repeatedly hitting an autosuggestion.

Date: 2025-04-24 03:55 pm (UTC)
calimac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] calimac
That makes it all the more impressive that it can come up with a comprehensible (I do not presume accurate, just plausible) explanation where live human beings cannot.

Date: 2025-04-24 03:58 pm (UTC)
calimac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] calimac
Also, it was able to respond to follow-ups by carrying on the conversation, so somehow this "repeatedly hitting an autosuggestion" was able to produce the illusion that it remembered what we had been saying earlier.

Date: 2025-04-24 05:04 pm (UTC)
movingfinger: (Default)
From: [personal profile] movingfinger
That's how associative autocomplete works, yes.

Date: 2025-04-24 05:08 pm (UTC)
movingfinger: (Default)
From: [personal profile] movingfinger
Humans make up nonsense like this all the time! As jokes! And we know we are doing it and we generally flag it as humor (eventually). (To the extent that deadpan delivery of jokes like this is a valued skill: e.g., the dad in Calvin and Hobbes explaining how bridge load limits are calculated.)

The problem is that ChatGPT is incapable of nuance. All it does is string statistically likely words in sequence. It cannot recognize falsehood or inauthenticity.

Date: 2025-04-24 07:33 pm (UTC)
conuly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] conuly
It doesn't even know that those concepts exist.

Date: 2025-04-24 07:39 pm (UTC)
calimac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] calimac
The comments I'm getting on this remind me of my attempts to get humans to explain cryptic phrases. These purported humans are less comprehensible and make less sense than what I get from an A.I.

Date: 2025-04-25 04:15 am (UTC)
channelpenguin: (Default)
From: [personal profile] channelpenguin
Possibly because the LLMs are certain and confident, and provide ONE explanation - whereas humans tend to know their knowledge has some limits, that there are often many possibilities of an explanation, and that in certain cases, it is simply the case that NOBODY KNOWS.

There was a whole TV show game when I was a kid, called "Call my Bluff", where teams of 3 actors (and the like) presented explanations of obscure words, what they meant, where they came from... but only one was true/correct and the other team had to guess which. So perhaps PROFESSIONAL improvisers and pretenders, trained in delivering fiction convincingly can do a better job of explanation in these fictional cases than ordinary people.

For the rest, well most people aren't trained in logical processes, and most that are, like scientists and technicians often are explaining subjects that take a massive amount of background knowledge and training to understand, and have never had a need to explain such things to people who know nothing on the subject.

Even more prosaically, "12 bar blues in, A, quick turnaround" describes a song well enough for the right types of musician to play together seamlessly without any further guidance. It works because it assumes a complex common background knowledge but someone unfamiliar with that would not understand that it was as complete as explanation as was necessary. Of course, it leaves a lot out that also will be filled in just by familiarity with playing music with others. E.g. no speed is given, and no indication of how long the song will be, but the right types musicians know how to follow each other, the drummer will count in and set the pace.

Edited Date: 2025-04-25 04:24 am (UTC)

Date: 2025-04-24 01:54 pm (UTC)
cmcmck: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cmcmck
The very sort of person who accuses us of child abuse!

Oh, the irony.........

Date: 2025-04-24 02:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bens_dad
3. Totally normal ...

Date: 2025-04-24 02:53 pm (UTC)
bens_dad: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bens_dad
I can handle cold feet, but if a warm cuddle wasn't an option, that would be a deal breaker for me.

He says the fifth one is a bit personal, but it would bother me too.

Date: 2025-04-25 04:30 am (UTC)
channelpenguin: (Default)
From: [personal profile] channelpenguin
I'm not so sure about how MUCH tolerance for religious practices etc there should be - not if it's abusive, for example.

But otherwise, yes. The Sleep Cycle one in particular! (I only succeeded in that once and sadly it's not my current relationship)

Also the "salesman" / "engineer" of partners should match

A "salesman" only says NO if they are sure they CAN'T.
AN "engineer" only says YES if they are sure they CAN.

It makes a huge difference in how reliable someone saying they will do a thing is. Which is THE thing I personally most value in friends and definitely partners.

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